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The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« on: July 21, 2009, 05:32:41 AM »
Ok, that's not e very good name for it, but it's the best I can think of right now - sue me :P

This thread has been set up to further discuss a set of concerns brought to my by Taminak. These are:

1) The forum becomes very inactive between issue production and issue assembly. Basically, when we're not making an issue, the forum becomes quiet. How can we remedy this?

2) The Herald didn't come back as big as it could have, so how do we remedy that now? Simple - Events!

3) Herald in-game presence is still rather slender - on one hand, we need more staff, on another we need to be a more active entity in the game. How can this be achived?

The discussion was cut rather short by the needs of trashing Ulduar, so a request was made to continue the discussion here amongst the whole guild and affiliates to get asn many opinions and ideas on the table as is possible. The potential answers hammered about by Taminak and myself were thus:

i) The in-game presence of the Herald does need to be ante'd-up somewhat. A proposition I was going to make at the next staff meeting in the coming week was a regular, fortnightly meeting for the entire guild and all freelance staff. This would have a set location and time (at least to begin with), follow the usual IC-as-far-as-possible rules, and act to build guild unity and interest from outsiders - thus the location would have to be somewhere in a roleplay hub.

ii) Events, yep, good idea. Let's come up with some then!

iii) The suggestion from Taminak was that the forum was advertised or promoted to other ER players as a place as good as in-game to contact us. I was a little unsure how to do this myself (admittedly perhaps because I'm thinking in a pretty obtuse way about it - I'd forget I had a nose if I couldn't see the damn thing ;) ), so this one certainly needs further discussion.

Ok, I'm throwing these out to the floor - please continue the discussion here and lets see if we can find some solutions to these issues before they become whacking great stumbling blocks hobbling the Herald's progress on the realm.
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 05:45:09 AM »
Events, wonderful events;

Recruitment Parties/Evenings/Open Days/Competition etc.
Parties = Cake and fireworks
Evenings = Rolling interviews
Open Days = Invite lots of people in and we give them a speech.. Or something.
Competition = Who has the best article? I dunno.

Normal parties for no reason but sheer shameless publicity. This covers a loooot of stuff which I can't be bummed to write out.

Edit: Thinking more about meetings and things, standardising them is a decent idea, just as long as we can keep people poked into coming to them.

More Editz: Remedying forum silence. Difficult one. Find things to discuss, brainstorming threads, "i can has help" threads, suggestions and ideas threads... I'unno.


Edit: But for boldening and shizzle.
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 05:46:24 AM »

2) The Herald didn't come back as big as it could have, so how do we remedy that now? Simple - Events!

3) Herald in-game presence is still rather slender - on one hand, we need more staff, on another we need to be a more active entity in the game. How can this be achived?

These two ideas are probably the easiest to work with.

Events
A list of events could be:
A public speech - This could be about the herald, it could be one of the herald members making some sort of topical debate of issue. Perhaps 'rookie' challenging authority and causing a ruccus
Setting up a recruitment day - Whilst setting up a recruitment day, invite other people to step up stalls, alongside the Heralds one or perhaps all the stalls could be Herald based?

Another alternative to this could be setting up a whole event in which the public can get involved in, something perhaps humourous or out of the ordinary.

Using the content we have to hold server events-A trip to Grizzly hills perhaps? Or a venture through Duskwood?

Just a few ideas there.



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iii) The suggestion from Taminak was that the forum was advertised or promoted to other ER players as a place as good as in-game to contact us. I was a little unsure how to do this myself (admittedly perhaps because I'm thinking in a pretty obtuse way about it - I'd forget I had a nose if I couldn't see the damn thing ;) ), so this one certainly needs further discussion.

Perhaps if we were to do this it would have to be on the basis that the thread names are what they are (So Printing Room, is the Printing room), open an open Rp thread in a section and start to Rp in the printing room, allowing people to 'stop by' or 'have a look in'

Also advertising the Issue releases alot more clearer then relying on this link to Blizzard, which in all honesty seems to have got us no where.

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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 05:49:19 AM »
There actually is a public speech of sorts in the pipeline - I'm waiting to hear back from the magistraites on it being a goer.
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 05:51:04 AM »
There actually is a public speech of sorts in the pipeline - I'm waiting to hear back from the magistraites on it being a goer.

Bah, dont rely on other Rpers to pass the word. When I made the three speeches in the same day on Kammill I had not warned any of the 'HoN' and no guards came along either. Was a wonderful day that... I recall it well.
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 06:29:12 AM »
Mary still hasn't signed. And my leaving of the SRI properly hasn't helped.
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 06:30:11 AM »
It hinges on their input, and I'm not willing to let it drop, so we'll see. It's a bit more complex than it sounds, but it's something I've been planning for a little while now, plus we'll get a story out of it :)

Let's just say it involves Herald history...

Ok, C - I'll poke Mary for a sig. and I'll prep some invites and a time & place for it.

*Update*

No need to do this one - Barlowe's pretty much handled the superfluousness of it with the powers that be... oh well, I thought it was a nice idea at least :)

Forget about it Curin, I'll think of something else... oh, wait, here's Dusty with some ideas... ;)
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2009, 03:30:16 AM »
Some things I'd suggest:

Kill the OOC channel. It destroys all sense of immersion and makes IC interaction pretty difficult for some of us (Or, more likely, just me). Sure, sometimes we need to explicitly state stuff in OOC during meetings to get the point across, but that's what raid chat is for. Stupid things have been happening where multiple conversations are going on at once, random comments made that detract from main subject or planned agenda, people on the other side of the world adding their opinion on a subject we finished covering hours ago, some trying to connect their Skype accounts while the others have to wait... etc an' all that.

We didn't use one at all in the old Herald, except for a very brief trial run during which it proved very unpopular, and we still got the job done perfectly fine.

Random Rambling. No planning needed, just gather somewhere and go walking for an hour or so. Just chat and explore, embrace whatever random rp you come across and see where it leads. Even if you don't find anything you're still getting seen in public. If someone's advertising a shop or service in a channel, divert your route so it goes their way and check it out.

Tutoring. Take the cub reporters on a field trip to learn the art of a particular aspect of reporting. Things like Interview technique, note taking, story fishing. Take them to meet the more active names in the community (not just the famous ones). Even if there isn't a story about them, the recruit'll be learning useful skills and start networking, all while being IC. Take the veterans out on trips like these if they need a refresher.

Attend events as a group. People love seeing a Herald reporter show up to their event, how pleased would they be to see two or three, maybe more? Also attend the smaller shows you think might not be that good or a front pager. It may not be the next major war, but that pet show is quite interesting to some of our audience, and is good practice for the less experienced reporters to try at. There's more going on in WoW than war and politics!

Feedback/Opinion/Review meetings. Get opinions from the readers after each issue and find out what they thought of it! Do this by directly approaching randomers and organising public meetings for anyone to attend and have a say. Did they find an article too long to hold their interest? Was not enough evidence given to support the writer's arguments? Is too much emphasis being put on Stormwind? Gather the data then have a private meeting between ourselves to discuss the stuff that's constructive.  It could be good for your technique and perhaps help us identify what makes an 'excellent' issue over a 'good' issue.

Public debates. Take a major article from each issue and have a heated discussion with the public. Invite guests who have particular knowledge or experience of the subject. Get opinions and use them for a "People's Voice" article in the next issue as a follow up. Perhaps do something similar to the BBC's Question Time? (Panel of guests, an audience with questions. Cue debate!)

In-Herald Kudos awards. Have regular meetings just for rewarding members for their achievements and contributions. Maybe someone's provided the front page article for three issues in a row? Perhaps they took extreme measures to get that awesome scoop? Make them feel good about contributing, and make sure the others see that it's a good thing to strive for. Maybe they'll up their own effort to achieve better as well? The whole point of the event is to reward longer serving members and encourage the new ones to do the same. A big back-patting session, basically.

An annual public award ceremony Kind of like the oscars (maybe a 'Henry' for the Herald?), but for our server's community. Have readers nominate those they think should be rewarded for their effort and have a public event that celebrates the winners. Things like "Best Military Commander", "Most Charitable", "Most Devoted to Their Cause", "Biggest Douche in the Galaxy". Sure it's an evening of big egos, but could be fun to try and could give a lot to write about during the run-up and afterwards (the nominations, the fashion, the reactions, the speeches, the controversy...). We could do OOC awards as well, but keep them in the forums and website.

Link each article to a feedback thread. Put a very visible link at the beginning/end of each article in an issue that links to forum thread made for comments on that specific article or issue. Get people to discuss it there and join in with them (i.e. Always reply to the comment, don't leave it to sit on its lonesome and let people think we ignore it). If people don't post anything, start the chatter with your own opinion!

Guest writers. Invite specific people to write one-off articles on a subject of their choosing (and related to current affairs).
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2009, 02:48:47 PM »
As for killing the OOC channel - I disagree. The big difference between the original Herald is that people were members of the guild and not just playing with alts, so there was always the guild channel to fall back on.

I think it is OK to use a /raid channel instead but that is frequently done badly. And it would need to be a rule that people should only join the /raid channel once they are at (or on their way) to the meeting.
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 06:29:04 PM »
I've been away - but definately not by choice - the Virgin Media bug has struck and been basically stopping me from even accessing the forum. Before Virgin started to fix the bug it used to reset in a few hours and fix itself, now that they have started to fiddle with things it's taking a whole day to fix itself.

However :) Things have started to roll, I'm actually off down to Devon and will be using the next few days to get issue 3 printed. We'll have to do the editing once it's up - but I am ready to make things work. If everything goes to plan I'll be sending a preprepared email to Blizzard on thursday - so that it can get into the friday community news.

Sorry about the problems - but I'm not giving up on the Herald.  ;)
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 06:30:12 PM »
Also I will try and prepare a quick email on how to admin the forums for you Sparkyle - I did get your skype messages eventually.

Perhaps we should exchange mobile numbers so we can txt incase of similar problems?
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 08:26:35 PM »
rofl - I'm a luddite! I don't own a 'mobile telephone'! ;D

Seriously, I don't :)
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 08:54:30 PM »
Those are some nice ideas Dusty - bravo, mah man :)

Here's me feedback...

Kill the OOC channel: I'd be lothe to do that as it would sever communication with freelancers outside of whispers or connection via raid group (which isn't going to be convenient half of the time). I do agree that the guild channel is veeery quiet pehaps due to the readiness of OOC comms, but I'm frankly stumped as to how to remedy this problem in either direction. Is there a middle ground here I'm missing, maybe?

Random Rambling: I do this! And yes, it is something that others have done with me. Encouraging it more can only be a good thing.

Tutoring: Good idea - I say do it :)

Group event attendance: It does go on in an unoffical manner, but going in-character as a duo or trio, one person getting crowd reaction, one person getting quotes, one person taking pictures... sounds like a plan.

Public Feedback: we could employ someone to get research like this, have an official harass-jo-public-person.

Debates: Once again, nice idea... I've always wondered about having a regular use for the sometime-courthouse, sometime-ballroom in the dwarven district, could make a nice location for these things.

Back-patting Session: Provided it's done by a pretty redhead... ;) No, seriously, I think this is a nice idea. Maylna, could those character cogs and rewards be implemented for this?

Annual Awards: This... I like it but I'm worried about the line between IC and OOC getting far too blurry. Let me think on this one s'more and I'll make a better comment on it later.

Article link: Maylna, is this doable? Your opinion on the tech side would be nice here.

Guest Writers: Like it. Let's see if we can shame some of the server's bigwigs into putting their money where their mouths are ;)
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 09:02:04 PM »

Guest Writers: Like it. Let's see if we can shame some of the server's bigwigs into putting their money where their mouths are ;)

I believe I have wrote a few articles before I joined as Dunhald  ;D

Anyways, I have Rynar in the process writting an article about the Military council and his views on it. So thats one place to start.
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Re: The Forum, Events, and other New Business
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2009, 04:00:32 AM »
I stand by my opinion on the the OOC channel, and often keep it hidden behind a separate tab while I'm playing. If you need a channel to keep freelancers in touch with guildies, then have them use their standard-issue buzzbox to join an IC channel.

Alright, so maybe that means we can't keep up to date with everything from our cosy, non-Herald characters, but perhaps that's the sort of incentive you need to get us logging in as our reporters more often? New guilds like this one need their members to be visible.

I guess you can keep the channel, but it should be alot more optional to join than it currently is. Not every player likes to have a big wall of OOC stuff going on in their chat box, and I'm pretty sure I can't be the only one (I'm in the wrong game and guild if that's the case).
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